#201 – Talking Doomsday with Ryan Arey (ScreenCrush)

Welcome back to Marvel Maniac, an MCU after show. This is your host, Eric Cicada, aka Mr. Honest, back with you for episode 201. Still living out the twos. I'm pretty excited that we're in the 200s. And to commemorate, we did My Own Hero, the episode from two weeks ago at this point where I reflected on all the trials and tribulations that it took to make Marvel Maniac more of a steady thing today than it ever was.

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However, a hundred episodes later, we are bringing back a guest. We don't have many guests on the show. My great friends TJ and Dustin, usually sometimes together, sometimes separate. It's been a bit. We got to have them back on. But this week, 100 episodes later, we brought back Ryan Arie of Screen Crush. If you haven't heard of Screen Crush, which is probably unlikely, but you might not have, it's a great channel on YouTube. They post theories about Marvel and all sorts of other shows. A great watch, honestly. I usually don't miss a video if it's pertaining to something that I'm watching. And they really go in on the mcu. They're great with theories and that's why it was such a great time talking to Ryan. A little bit about Dr. Doom and Doomsday, how that comes to be. We go off topic. A little bit about Game of Thrones and a little tiny bit about dc, but mainly Avengers, Doomsday and Secret wars that come at will Come after was a really fun conversation and I'm excited for you to hear what you are really right now. Go list. Watch Screen Crush. They also have a podcast, but the videos are great. I. I'd recommend going on YouTube and just watching a bunch of them. They have great theory videos. I mentioned a few in this episode. So without further ado, episode 201, Ryan Arie of Screen Crush. Enjoy. Ryan, it's great to see you again. It's been almost a year since you last talked to me. I talked to you on this podcast. How have things been going?

Good, man. It's been so busy. It's been one of those years where like a million things have come out and yet it seems like it's just flown by like that, you know, it's great to be back there. Thanks for having me back on.

Oh, yeah, of course. I noticed that Screen Crush is just killing it. And you guys, I think from my perspective, doing all sorts of videos now, not just the mcu. I know you were always breaking out, but I like that you are kind of dipping Your foot in a bunch of different shows because your takes are solid. You make me want to watch the shows that you're covering that I haven't even thought of watching. Like welcome to Dairy or something like that. You may want to watch that.

Yeah, we take risks. This month was kind of weird, or it has been kind of weird for us because, like, the only thing really coming out was Predator Badlands. So we were like, oh, yeah. I mean, Predator videos do huge. And the Badlands videos haven't done that big numbers for anyone, not just us, but there's a few new formats we're experimenting with. Some are working, some are not. You know, So I love that.

Well, let's get into it. We. We're going to be talking about Doomsday today. Pretty broad topic. Something that you're pretty used to by now. Out the gate. I just want to ask you a question, my friend tj. I wanted to know the answer to this too, and I don't want to forget it. From what I remember, the earliest. Your earliest take on Tony being Dr. Doom, Robert Downey Jr. Being Dr. Doom. You weren't the hugest fan of it. Has that idea growing on you at all?

Well, we do have a video coming out soon where I talk about this. Somebody on our Discord server dropped an idea that maybe the reason he's called Dr. Doom is because his nickname wasn't the Merchant of death, it was Dr. Doom. And for me, you know, like I said, we're going to do a video on this next week. But that kind of coalesced a lot of different things for me. And it made me. Because what I've always hated about the idea of Downey Doom was that we don't get the real Dr. Doom. I love.

Yes.

You know, if you read the comics, you know how much fun it is to see these things adapted on the big screen. And I thought it was the movies over like eclipsing the comics too much. But if you do that, that means that we still can have Victor Von Doom in the future.

Right.

But, you know, maybe a Council of Dooms.

Maybe like a Council of Dooms type thing.

That's the newest rumor. Yeah, we just talked about that in our video. And it seems like they're just replacing the Council of Kings. I don't think a Council of Dooms would ever work for the same reason you can never have a Council of Sith. You know, there can only be one.

Got you. Okay, so I want to go right into this. This recent video that you did. The one scene that fixes Iron man and sets up Dr. Doom. I thought that was really, really intriguing. It sent my mind in a thousand different places. You called arc reactor moment. Of course, you call the arc reactor moment Tony's first true vulnerability in the Pepper. It's kind of what keeps Tony human throughout his. His story. So without her, does he start feeling more like Doom?

I think we've seen it already, and I point this out in the video. If you want to know what Tony Stark looks like without Pepper Potts, look at Ultron. You know, Ultron was based on his personality, Ingrams. And without that morality to hold him back, that human morality. And also in Civil War, we saw, you know, we talked about this in the video, but we saw what happens to Tony and his moral judgment whenever Pepper's not around. He just kind of goes, you know, goes astray.

Yeah. Do you think. Do you think that he would, in any universe, take the side of Steve Rogers in Civil War and the Avengers stay together?

Absolutely. If the. Especially if the events of Age of Ultron hadn't happened. You know, if you want to go back and look at the through line. Wanda really screwed up when she gave him that vision, but he was kind of already screwed up. I think that when he went to space and he finally saw a situation he couldn't control because that's what he's addicted to in the comics. He's addicted to alcohol.

Right.

And the movies. He's not addicted to being Iron Man. He's addicted to control because he doesn't want to suffer grief again in his life. So he ran up against the situation in space that he couldn't control. And that led to him, you know, having PTSD and Iron Man 3, which, of course, there's a through line to feeling like he had to create Ultron. He has to keep the nanotech on his chest. And I think however Dr. Doom comes about, it's going to be stemming from.

That need to control something about that that, you know, he's having the wedding in Infinity War. He had a breakup with the Avengers previously in Civil War. If Pepper wasn't there all that time, it's good to question maybe if there even would have been a civil war opposed to, like, the Avengers against, like, the government or something like that. And by the time the Infinity Stones come around, he might already even know about them. Maybe not Thanos specifically, but, like, he'll maybe have cross paths with Dr. Strange or something like that, I'd assume. So. I. I don't want to, like, stay in one one Area too long. I do. I. I over noted for this a little bit. So I'm going to jump down to another thing, a little hypothesis. I. I had a thought. You've seen Jane. Of course you've seen James Gun. Suicide Squad, the newest Suicide Squad. I know you cover once or twice. I know you cover a lot of James Gun. You talked to James Gun. I thought that was so cool.

It was really cool.

Do you want to talk about that a little bit? I know it's different, if you want.

I was putting my phone on do not disturb. Sorry. That's why I was looking down. I keep getting. Yeah, no, that was awesome. The. The cool thing about that interview was, I mean, it was getting to meet James Gunn. The part of it that I couldn't get out of my head is when he said that he gets in trouble when he watches our channel because Ozu freaks out whenever he sees Doug on screen. So in my head, I'm like, crypto is a Doug fan. Like that. That's kind of where I went with that. I could not, you know, like, anytime you do anything big, you're always like, afterwards going to be kind of replaying parts of in your head. And that's the part I kept thinking of, oddly enough.

Really.

The interview went great. Eric and I from New Rockstars, we didn't expect to be on the same call together. That was a surprise. And I thought we handled it really well.

Oh, I. I need to see that crossover. I.

It exists. The same interviews on both channels. We didn't edit it at all.

That's fantastic. I. Well, it's clear I haven't watched it because I hadn't seen Superman yet, which is just due to streaming. And I was kind of. I didn't get to see in theaters. I was kind of bummed out about that. Finally got to seeing it. All that aside, I'm really glad you got to have that convo with him. I'm gonna have to go watch it, even if it's gonna spoil anything else, because that's really cool and pretty light.

We mostly talk about Peacemaker and dark side theories and stuff, which he debunked. He said dark side's not in it.

I. I guess I'm going to tell you, like, a wacky theory. Like, you think the Thunderbolts in a sense could be like that opening to Suicide Squad, where we kind of have faith in these new heroes. They set them up to be the new Avengers, and then they go up against Doom and just get floored by them. Like, do you think they could be used as that, or are they too important?

I doubt if they're going to do that with the thunderbolts. I do think that there is a high probability of the X Men or other multiversal heroes. Kind of like what Sam Raimi did to the Illuminati. You know, he just obviously had so much damn fun in that movie.

Oh, yeah.

Having Mondo murder them. I think you might see something like that where they're just going to use. I mean, look what Deadpool and Wolverine did to the army of Deadpools. I think you can expect to see.

That bunch of cool stuff is possible when it comes down to that. So what kind of, like, shock thing do you think like, they could do? Do you think they'll, like, do the Thanos spine thing or maybe they'll do that to another character? I think of the Russos talking about how they were going to have Thanos throw. Steve Rogers. Had you guys through you guys at the team. When he comes back. What if they, like, do something like that to Steve Rogers? Is that too much? Would they. Would they be crossing a line?

What if Doom has the Infinity Stones and he. He turned Steve skinny again or something like that? You could see that happen too. You know, there's like. That's the thing about if you're. The more power you give somebody, because essentially that's what this is. You're giving God powers to Dr. Doom. I think the first thing he has to do is take out Hulk Sentry. Somebody that we just think of as way out of Iron Man's league, his power class. Because you want to see that, like, immediately. Or. Or we got a video coming out about this too. If Jonathan Majors is returning. Yes, that's the right way to do it. You know, you show this arena of.

Kangs, and I swear that's my next literal next thing I had. Do you think they're gonna maybe tie a little bow on that council of. Of Kangs, that king?

They kind of did tie a bow on it at the end of Loki.

Right pocket dimension, sort of.

They were like, yeah, you know, none of them know who we are. It still means they exist, though. I mean, right. Even if the TVA is saying, well, the Kangs don't know who we are, so it's fine. It's still like, yeah, but aren't. Weren't we just told these guys were a huge multiversal threat?

Exactly.

And if you need that, like Thanos at the start of Infinity War, kicking the shit out of the Hulk and Asgardians to prove how tough he is, then, you know, if you need Doom to kill anybody, kill the kings. Even if it's just like Jonathan Majors doesn't return for it and use existing footage. Hey, that's a really good way to start.

That's a fantastic idea. I, I hope they put some energy towards that just to you know, make a nice little continuity. Like yeah, this was kind of supposed to happen even though it wasn't type deal.

You know, I, I saw a rumor. Well, not a rumor. I think it's confirmed that the Russo brothers are going to stay on at Marvel. They're going to be part of the like the Marvel brain trust. They don't call it the creative committee anymore, but they're going to sort of help along the way, which is good because. Oh yeah, you know, they have a lot of plates spinning out there.

That's really good. That means I can set things up for outside of these movies and move to the next saga and hopefully imagine.

They made a Sam Wilson Captain America movie. That'd be pretty cool.

Oh, I wish they did. I wish they did. So, you know, we know Loki's going to be involved in this and that's kind of like one of the most up in the air things like how is Loki going to get integrated into this movie? Movie. And my question to you just off the bat of that is, do you think it'll be, it'll serve as like his final task to get to Loki on that throne or would it be opposite, like more of the beginning of the movie where things have happened off screen similar to Infinity War and Doom goes to confront Loki right off the, right out the gate.

I think, I think sooner rather than later. The problem you're going to run into, I was talking to Colton about this earlier today when you talk about like the Infinity Saga. So those were movies that had self contained franchises and the thrill of watching an Avengers movie was you got to watch them all interact. You know, you'd already seen Captain America on his journey and saw what happened with him and Iron man, so you get to see how that affects him along the way. With this. Have we had, we haven't had a sequel in this, right? I mean Loki Season 2 and, and Captain America, Brave New World. I think those are the only sequels within the Multiverse saga. It's been introducing more and more new people who it turns out aren't playing a role in the movie. Well, Thor was a sequel, but it didn't have like two movies released in the saga.

You know what I mean, yes, okay, I see what you're saying.

Yeah. So it's in Wanda, I guess, made a couple of appearances and a few people have appeared here and there. But it's not like we've had a through line of different characters we're excited to see come together. And Colton on the talkback we posted today, actually had a great point. He said it's not really a culmination of Phase six. Right. In the same way that Infinity War and Endgame were a culmination of Phase three. This is more of just a sequel to Avengers Endgame. So the sequel, the problem they're going to run into is the Disney plus problem. And Disney. I love the shows on Disney, most of them. It's been good to us. That's how most people found us through WandaVision. Are you expecting everybody to have seen Loki Season 1 and 2? How are they going to explain where Doom is when he takes. Why is Loki sitting in this chair? Like there's a lot of exposition and the challenge of most Marvel movies is figuring out how to crack that Thunderbolts Did a great job with exposition. Captain America, Brave New World.

Didn't I got the chills thinking about Loki because I just love the aspect of him being involved in this film as a result of the shows. You're right. They have to have that moment similar to Infinity War when they show the Infinity Stones through Wong and the in that group where they kind of introduce the audience to them. Could for a possible first time if they haven't seen much of it before. For Loki, where it's so integral, it seems like the most important thing. That kind of makes me think, how are they going to do that in this movie, you know?

Well, it's so complicated. I mean, I. I do it for a living and even I would take a long time to tell you. I guess you could kind of. If it's a sequel to Endgame, you already have an advantage. And that Loki disappears in Avengers Endgame.

Yes.

So it's kind of easy to explain it from there.

Right. You're right.

Maybe they could also do it. You remember in Thor Ragnarok, when Thor lands on Sakaar and Loki's already there?

Yeah.

We don't need to have seen everything that happened. So maybe that's part of it too. I don't know. But I definitely think maybe even Doom is going to take him out and then Loki will be thrown to Earth. You know, Doom is coming instead of Thanos.

That'd be cool.

Like that.

I'd like to See that.

Here's what I think they should do, though personally, I think that they should find a way to. I don't think Doom should find him first. I think the Avengers need. They're gonna figure out what's happening. They'll probably fight each other when they first meet. They'll split off into different teams doing different stuff. Thor probably needs to be the person to go to the tva. I think there was even a photo of a stunt double in the TVA set or something.

Oh yeah.

So he needs to go there and see and meet Loki. So Loki can then explain to this person who frankly, he still might still feel like has higher status than him to be like, what are you doing? I'm holding together reality. You know, like that's when characters explain things to each other. Like in the Thunderbolts exposition works. The newscast explains random trivia about characters. It doesn't work. Which is what we had. Brave World.

Yes. The news. The news coverage in Brave New World. Yeah. I. I think that Loki is gonna. If they don't go. If they can't reach him, I. I have an idea that maybe he'll project himself into the multiverse similar to how he can duplicate himself in general.

Yeah. So he can hop around time too. So I don't know if he'll still have that power or not. He could.

I wonder. I mean, they. It's a bit. They introduced a lot of different abilities to Loki in that second season. And I mean, I was. I was along for the ride.

I kind of want to watch that second season again. I. I might do a re watch, man. It might be fun. I got a year. Maybe I should just re. Watch it all.

You should.

It's a big. I've been re watching stuff anyways for videos. So we've done these crucial scene videos.

Keep them fresh in your mind. Right. Because he totally is the catalyst to a lot of what's going to happen. I just like you said about the. The shows versus the movies and expecting people to watch Disney plus and get on Disney plus, watch Loki.

It's.

It's a little confusing on our end, but if there's anybody I trust, it's the Russo brothers. I feel like they have probably have a great idea. I don't think they're stuck in that. Well, the fact that the movie's nearly finished.

It's Christopher Marcus too, who's writing it. Right. Half of Marcus McEly. Remember Marcus or MC. I know, I know it's terrible.

But I'm not sure what the other one's doing great.

Yeah.

I hope the other one isn't in contest to like the script or anything, but I think it's just because he's working on other stuff to my knowledge, and it's not because he doesn't want to do it or who knows? You know, I can't really, you know, say that exactly, but I'm gonna. I'll give you a. Okay, I. I have a Screen Crush question for you. Me and tj, my friend, were talking in general. We'll put this in the middle here just because it's awesome. I don't really know your origin story. You said you started picking up during WandaVision, right? What. What sparked you to start Screen Crush?

Well, I didn't start Screen Crush. Screen Crush is owned by a company called Town Square Media. Great company. They own a lot of stuff and ScreenCrush is like just one small part of a vast tapestry. And I was hired as video editor for the company and I was editing videos for their music based brands, xxl, Loudwire, Taste of Country, things like that. With some Screen Crush on the side. I just started to write Screen Crush videos and edit them full time. In 2017, the first video essay that I ever edited, it would have been something that Matt Singer wrote was probably every. There were three. I remember really well. There was every Easter egg in the Kingsman Reservoir Dogs video essay. And then there was one that was like every product placement in a Michael Bay movie. It's. It was a benched edit ref. Really proud of that. And that's fun. It was. I did like, there's a scene where a Bud Light truck wrecks and there's little circles over every single Bud Light bottle and ran a counter. And I really counted them too.

Oh, I love that.

And then, yeah, I. I think the first video I ever wrote was a smash. Coincidentally, it was amazing. Spider Man 2 versus Spider Man 2. But I mean I. I also like watched a lot of stuff like that. You know, I watched a lot of new rock stars and Emergency awesome. And then with video got really into like every frame of painting and stuff like that. So then it was like a little. A little off, a little on, you know, like things got hot. They didn't. And then after Avengers Endgame and Game of Thrones happened in the same week, you know, the views really took off and I kind of transitioned to doing it full time. Had a little spotter during COVID but then the Disney plus shows kind of brought me back full force.

You'll send me on a tangent, but Game of Thrones came out around Endgame, the finale.

Yes. 2019. The Battle of Winterfell happened the same week because I remember because one of my favorite tweets was a split screen of the Stark kids and Tony Stark, and it said, good luck to all the Starks this weekend.

I love that. Oh, man. I mean, I wasn't crazy about the ending, but who was? That's kind of a generic.

I think that season's got its moments, though. I don't want to get too far off Marvel, but, you know.

Yeah.

Yes. It was rushed for, like, mostly production reasons. If you read. There's an oral history of it you should read if you're into that kind of thing. But the episode that takes place before the long night, when they're all just certain they're going to die the next day, I would put that episode up against almost any episode of Game of Thrones. It's not expensive. They're just in the hall of Winterfell. It's when, like, Jamie Knights Brienne and all that other stuff happens. Great episode.

They're powerful stuff. I think we went a little. I went a little too hard on it when it came out. You know, I joined the mob. I guess you'd say it still sucks.

I mean, it's still got problems, but. Yeah, the worst season, Game of Thrones, is better than the best season of, like, I don't know, Csi Grey's Anatomy, whatever show know you don't like. That's the show it's better than.

Yeah. You know, I. I think you compare it to maybe the last episode to just all of Secret wars, the TV show. You know, it's just like, we know this story is coming, going to a certain place, but we don't know how it's going to happen. And.

Right.

That kind of. It's kind of more fortunate for Game of Thrones that it was one episode really in instead of a whole series that everyone was waiting for and, you know, put a lot of anticipation on. When it comes back to Doomsday, though, are there any, like, big fights between characters aside from Dr. Doom, like, that you're kind of hoping to see, like.

Oh, that's a great question. Yeah. No, I love that. We've never really got. I don't think the X Men will fight each other, but we've never gotten the magneto ripping adamantium out of Wolverine moment. That's kind of a boring answer because that's the X Men versus the X Men.

Right.

Who would be fun? We already got to see Wanda face off against Professor X and saw their telepathy go up against each other.

Yes.

Who else is going to be in that movie? All those damn chairs. I'm really. It's not a fight, but I'm really excited to see no more and Sue Storm.

Oh yeah.

I hope that it's a rebooted. Yeah, yeah. I think that rebooted universe. I hope that's a little bit more of a thing that they. Yeah. Into that a bit more.

Any Shangchi. I was thinking Shang Chi is gonna go up against some people and I. I'm excited to see him in. I can't imagine who he's gonna fight. I think I saw like, I guess.

I guess Spider man. If this will probably happen in Secret wars. But Spider man, like meeting Deadpool or Deadpool meeting somebody who's extremely serious I think is always going to be a lot of fun. So if you do get to see Deadpool meet like a Sam Wilson, you know, I think doesn't have a lot of in him. I think that might be a good matchup.

Maybe a little similar to him meeting Ant Man. You know, he takes it there. He's very serious. And ANT man script crappy jokes and stuff.

Oh actually I don't think he's in the movie. At least not confirmed. But Punisher would be great to see Deadpool me.

Oh my goodness. They could do a movie together. I would love to see that. They got. We have that short. We have a lot of things coming up that leading into Spider Man Brand new day. Like the Punisher special movie thing and Daredevil season two. I don't know where those sit. I don't know if.

Yeah, I'm surprised the Punisher thing is still on Disney plus. I thought they would have put that out in movies in theaters. It depends how long it is. But I mean it's something everybody wants. Yeah. I don't know. It's. It's. Marvel also has talked about making lower budget movies. So they. That would be a good way to start. But I'm not.

I don't know.

Do you think maybe it's just a 45 minute thing?

We don't know what's going to happen in Brand New Day. I mean it's the. It's the movie right before Doomsday. So there's a chance Tom Holland might not be in it. There's rumors Toby Maguire Spider man could be in it instead of. What do you say to that?

No, you don't think. Oh, in Doomsday, you mean. I thought you meant A Brand New Day.

Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. No, no.

I don't think Spider Man. I don't know. I think they were trying to finalize Tom Holland.

Yeah.

For that. From what I remember. No, I think all the Spider man will be in it. I think that.

Okay.

That we're going to have a lot of board cleaning in this movie.

Okay.

I don't know if that's going to be in terms of deaths or whatever. I think if there's a character who's got a complicated history, we might just see them die and then they'll be like, reborn. Somebody who maybe they want to redo a few things.

Right.

I don't know though. They're not doing what I would do. I would just recast people. I just think you need a Tony Stark. You need a t'. Challa. You need Steve Rogers to tell these stories. Just recast them. It's okay. We understand recasting. It's fine. And you just kind of read their stories.

But they have to do it for the story. It did. To see. Not see William Hurt as the big red Hulk. You know, that was something we were building up to. But you can't stop the story from happening. Even though that story was crazy, you know, going off of, you know, better in the comic.

I mean, the red Hulk was. That's not the way it was ever done in the comic. But, you know, whatever.

Do you think he'll ever come back? Harrison Ford's Red Hulk, or do you think it was a one nice to.

I think. I think he would. I just think. And had the movie been a massive hit. Yes.

Yeah.

But I think that it's taking them so long to do things now because they have so many plates spinning in the air.

Right.

And I think Iger and Feige have both said there's some characters who they just won't revisit. You know, Like, I would be surprised if she. Hulk comes back for anything titular. She might come back like. And something else. Right. But I'm not. Maybe didn't make a big impact and are really expensive to make. Like, that's why the Eternals aren't coming back. It's just too damn expensive. You're not likely to see.

Right. Oh, my gosh. I was just gonna. I. I actually was gonna bring that up too. That it's such a big franchise they try to introduce. Wanted to make a big deal out of completely. Like, the audience just wasn't with it.

Like, he said he signed up for seven movies in a video game. He thought that was going to be the next 10 years of his life. Like he was ready.

Well, I would assume too, looking at the MCU from his perspective there.

Well, the Eternals was weird. The box office was fine. It was fine for Covid. It's just that it didn't. It was so expensive, though, that fine wouldn't cut it. And I think they were. They got Chloe Zhao, who just won a Best Director Oscar, you know, for Nomadland. I think they. After not. I think that when they got nominated for Black Panther, Marvel thought, oh, we could. We could win an Oscar. Let's do a really serious movie. And I think that's what they thought the Eternals was going to be for them. And it reminds me of Pocahontas, because Disney originally, like, they put out Beauty and the Beast. It was the first animated film, I believe the first to ever get a Best Picture nomination. Maybe Snow White did, and they were like, oh, cool, let's do some Oscar bait. So they made Pocahontas, which ended up being tonally uneven. It was like this really serious story about Native Americans and genocide with cute talking cartoon forest creatures. And it felt out of balance. And the same thing happened with the Eternals where you have this incredibly talented filmmaker filming these characters. These like, really, really great actors, Oscar caliber actors on natural light locations, on these huge vistas. But then we're also kind of quipping along the way.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. The. The tag in the trailer, you know, the Avengers are gone. We could be the next Avengers. You know, kind of like directly telling the audiences that. A little bit.

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Yeah. You know what? I. I totally would be watching them if they brought another sequel. Same thing with Shang Chi. I think that's gonna happen. I just think it's prolonged a little bit with Shang Chi.

Yeah, me too. It's cheap. I mean, that's the main reason they should do a Shang Chi sequel. They don't have to have a big CGI dragon at the end. They can just do a straight up Kung fu movie. My hope of hopes, I mean, what I am dying to have happen is he gets rid of those damn rings. I hate powers and shit. No, he's the master of Kung fu. He's a master. Let him be the master of Kung Fu. The rings are probably going to be tied into Doom or something like, you know, the right. Maybe some in Doom or some like that. But like, I think after that, I hope that they serve their purpose and we don't have them around anymore.

Similar to the Time Stone in Doctor Strange, where that Artifact is just gone. But there's more.

And once you introduce that every single Doctor Strange movie, you're going, well, why doesn't he use the Time Stone to fix that?

Right. You know, I think what would happen if they did keep the rings is he. They'd have to put him through. Through villain, like, symbiote type situation where, you know, his dad never died. He's never gonna die. How does Shangchi stay keeping those rings gold instead of blue? All I wanted to know was if it was like a dark side, light side situation. We're running out of time. But I'm not cutting you off. What you're gonna say, though. What you're gonna say, sorry.

No, no. I think they established that in the movie it is somehow tied to tallow and stuff like that, like where the energy comes from. And that's the interesting thing about the. The Multiverse saga. I don't know if you saw. So Alex Perez is the sleeker. He does like a Q A now and then. He. His Q A release today, and he said something really interesting. He said, and if he's right, take a leak or whatever. But he said Marvel's original plan was to do this a lot more gradually. They wanted to release in their slate, have things sort of connect to the Multiverse and then gradually tie in together. But Covid happened, and after Covid, Disney, I mean, you got to think how much money they lost just on everything.

Yeah.

And movie theaters. So they pushed them to put more and more out before it was ready and before it was polished and before it had time to kind of converge and congeal into different things. So, you know, like with the Thunderbolts, maybe that could have come out as the Avengers film at the end of Phase Four, but because everything was so compressed, they now had to juggle all of these actors schedules. And at a time when Wyatt Russell is signed on for this Monarch show, when you. Florence Pugh becomes one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, you know, so it was just too much for them at once.

She's so cool. She. I like. I like white W. Do you call her White Widow? Has she even gained that title? Is that. Is that what she's.

Does she. Does she get called that in the comics? And if she wears white, I don't. I don't know.

I just started calling her that one day. I. I think. I don't think I made it up. I must have seen it, heard it somewhere. I don't know.

I think she would take on the name Black Widow, though, just to like honor Natasha or like, to own that legacy, but I'm not sure.

Yeah.

Really calls herself the Black Widow, though, come to think of it, I think that's. Yeah.

When Clint mentions that Yane is coming from them, like, that's the first time we really hear him refer to a Black Widow. They're more of a. Than like, a. At one person. Like, she represents the Black Widows. In a sense.

You're 100, right?

Yeah, that's true. I got two things I want to go through.

Okay.

I just want to know, do you know anything about King Thanos and. And his origin in the comics? If he even exists in the. In the comics? Do you know who he is?

Thanos.

Yeah, he's like a part of an amusement park ride at Disney. It's like another version of Thanos with a beard. He looks a little angry. I. Angry, Believe it or not, angrier. He's sitting on a throne with, like, the Hulk as his pet. Something like that. Maybe that's a little more broad of an idea.

That doesn't. That doesn't ring a bell. I mean, I haven't read every Marvel comic that's ever come out before Infinity War. I did a deep. Like, some of it I'd already read, and some of it I read for the first time. Like, I reread, like, all the Infinity Gauntlet stuff, but I also read all of his early appearances. I read Annihilation. There's even one that's not considered canon where he does successfully wipe out all life in the universe, and he's just by himself, himself at the end. What's that one called?

That sounds pretty epic.

I don't remember King Thanos. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means I haven't read it.

If I find something, I'll. I'll send it your way, maybe.

Yeah, please do.

So I. I saw a video you did a couple months back. I really liked it. And just in short, it was how Steve Rogers and the Avengers kind of ruined everything and kind of created Dr. Doom and all that. You argue that.

Is that me or Colton? Who did that?

Was that.

I post that one.

It was you. You were on.

Okay. He did a similar. I think he did a similar one on his own channel, I think. So I was trying to, like, not make it too similar to his, but yes. Good.

I like his videos, too.

Yeah. Yeah, he does a great job.

You guys are a good team. So the Avengers pretty much broke reality in this setting. And do you think that really connects in general, the Steve Rogers Time heist reverse where he's bringing turning all the stones. Do you think that is kind of a gonna play a big part in the upcoming Doctor Doom story?

There's kind of two answers with this kind of thing, Right? So there's like the comic book answer where in the comics. Comics are so weird that in D.C. every time Superboy punched a wall in the multiverse, the glass shattered and created a new universe. Right. Comics can do the weirdest stuff. So in the comics they could say in an issue, oh yeah, totally. When Steve traveled back in time, that created this tangent universe. That's one. The other thing is, in the movies, the rules are different because it has to be more concise. It has to make factual sense. Within a two hour time or three hour time span. This movie's probably going to be longer than Braveheart. I think we're gonna see. What? It would not surprise me if old Steve, if Steve Rogers is in this, he's either going to be a variant or we're going to see what happens after he went to Peggy's.

Right.

They might even if, hell, if they're going to upend everything, maybe in another universe they're arrested, you know, for. He's arrested for tampering with time and taken to the tva. And that's our introduction to Loki. I don't know.

Who knows? Yeah.

However they do it, it's got to be easy to explain or it's not going to work.

Yes, I agree. Okay. I'm not going to let us get cut off here. We got a 30 minute limit. I'm on the free zoom plan right now.

That's all right.

It's fun. It's actually interesting because I feel like we're really hitting a good flow right now. But that's where we, we take it out at the peak of our conversation.

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No, I'm gonna email them and say, look, I got Ryanair to advertise. It's gonna be great. You know, just. No, but I gotta thank you. I. I have so much respect for you and your theories and just you as a person, you're a great, great hype. Hype guy for the mcu. In my opinion.

Oh, thanks, man. I think I'm pretty critical of it lately, but yeah, I appreciate it.

In general, I'm excited to see more of what. What's going on with Screen Crush. I probably will just go grab a drink and go watch your Avengers Doomsday trailer news and what the hell is going on with that? I'm very interested too, so I'm gonna have to watch that. Thank you so much again for coming on again, Ryan.

Thanks, man. I appreciate it.

We'll. We'll talk soon. Have a good. Have a great one. And I'll email you that King Thanos thing if I find it.

Yeah, please do. That's interesting.

All right, my friend. Talk to you soon. Thank you very much.

Talk to you soon. Bye.

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